So we have been progressing on the house, but why is it so difficult to actually find someone, other than my now handy husband/contractor, to do any actual work? Particularly with plumbers, what is so difficult to do?
Let me back up a little bit. In May, on the hottest day of the summer, we started our new construction project giddy with delight at the daily work of our contractor. Slowly this fell apart, and we started to see some flaws in the general work quality and accuracy, which ultimate led to him walking off the job. Fine. Great.
Now the coldest day of the year rolls around, and we still don't have heat. 2 new radiators were to be installed as part of the plumbers contract. They have been floating around the house since June waiting for their new home. Tried to get 2 different guys out over the last 2 weeks to no avail. Bryan stayed home on Friday waiting for guy #3 only to have a guy show up and say, "I was just here to fix a leak, I can't do an install". Great. Today I come home at noon to wait for the same company to come again and do the install. Too bad they weren't actually planning to install the radiators, but just to look around and estimate. Great. Now in addition to no heat, he tells me that we have 1/2" rough in work tied into the 3/4" system, which won't get enough water to the 3rd floor to properly heat. Also, Bryan looked at the install sheet for the radiators, and they in fact REQUIRE the 3/4" supply. Great.
What part of this wasn't clear to the first plumber, who we paid specifically for this work? Was the store out of 3/4" copper that day? Did they just not want to spend the extra money? What would possibly make that seem like a good idea?
With any luck, a friend from work will save the day with his relatives who are plumbers, but if not I might just try to conjure the Fire Meany to live in the living room until Spring. I think that would be easier than finding a plumber to show up, do what you expect, and not have thoroughly empty pockets at the end. Great.
What we are doing:
In what spare time we have, we decided to spend it (and our savings) on remodeling our rowhouse in South Philly. When we purchased our casa it was a 3 story, 5 bedroom, 1 bath that hadn't been touched in 50+ years. It's currently a 4 bed, 2 bath construction site with so much more to do it's hard to believe.
We use this blog to mark progress, say hi to friends and family, rant about the process of remodeling, and try to have some fun along the way.
- Bryan and Christina
Tuesday, October 28, 2008
Sunday, October 26, 2008
Blood, Sweat, and Tears
First off your friendly blogger has been sidelined due to a run-in with a not so friendly chop saw, so you are stuck with me at least for a bit. NOTE TO PARENTS: We are back from the ER with all the appropriate fingers, tendons, and critical parts; just minus a little blood. Actually all the people that saw Bryan said that he was quite lucky and should be just fine in 7-10 days when the 8 stitches come out. Now for the gory details.....
I was downstairs poking around on Angie's List just about to put a nasty rating up for a our long gone contractor when I hear Bryan running down the stairs and he yells, "Its time to go, get the keys!" Immediately realizing what this means and in a bit of a panic I grab the important things: car keys, Bryan's wallet with his insurance card and manage to get flip-flops instead of slippers on my feet just as he meets me at the bottom of the 2 flights of stairs he has come down. Off we go! At least I was somewhat clean and dressed, which is negotiable on a sunday afternoon.....
In the car he begins to explain that he didn't chop his hand off, but instead had just finished a cut with the chop saw and as the blade was beginning to slow down he reached to move the moulding cap a bit to early and scraped his hand across the still slightly spinning blade. Now another NOTE FOR PARENTS: He can move all his fingers with no tendon damage, and nothing was cut off. He did manage to turn the web between his thumb and first finger a bit closer to hamburger, but the doctor was able to stitch it up nicely.
Now Bryan has a recent tetanus shot, eventually a scar to show his hard work, and a healthy fear of all moving metal saw blades. This last picture shows the beginnings of the base cap mouldings that he was working on before "the incident", everyone should comment on how great they look, and how impressive it is that he has actually now shed blood for the project. I think he wins on the blood and sweat portions of this game, and I still win on the tears portion.
I was downstairs poking around on Angie's List just about to put a nasty rating up for a our long gone contractor when I hear Bryan running down the stairs and he yells, "Its time to go, get the keys!" Immediately realizing what this means and in a bit of a panic I grab the important things: car keys, Bryan's wallet with his insurance card and manage to get flip-flops instead of slippers on my feet just as he meets me at the bottom of the 2 flights of stairs he has come down. Off we go! At least I was somewhat clean and dressed, which is negotiable on a sunday afternoon.....
In the car he begins to explain that he didn't chop his hand off, but instead had just finished a cut with the chop saw and as the blade was beginning to slow down he reached to move the moulding cap a bit to early and scraped his hand across the still slightly spinning blade. Now another NOTE FOR PARENTS: He can move all his fingers with no tendon damage, and nothing was cut off. He did manage to turn the web between his thumb and first finger a bit closer to hamburger, but the doctor was able to stitch it up nicely.
Now Bryan has a recent tetanus shot, eventually a scar to show his hard work, and a healthy fear of all moving metal saw blades. This last picture shows the beginnings of the base cap mouldings that he was working on before "the incident", everyone should comment on how great they look, and how impressive it is that he has actually now shed blood for the project. I think he wins on the blood and sweat portions of this game, and I still win on the tears portion.
Saturday, October 25, 2008
A pocket door and baseboards. It's getting serious around here!
Hello interwebs people. LOLZ. So Friday and Saturday were both baseboard 101 for me. After reading another Tom "my Lord and Savior" Silva step by step baseboard install, I felt sufficiently ready for the task. Plus there's no way that it was going to be more difficult that the window sill and the window trim. I opted to not go crazy with biscuit joints and all of that highfalutin' stuff that Tom recommends since I have not used a biscuit joiner since the 8th grade and I'm lazy.
In designing the third floor space, I'm convinced that my wife went with the designed part of her brain, and not the practical construction side. Because a sqaure(ish) room is perfect for a first time baseboard installer. Not the mish-mash of closets and intertwining walls. Because, damn....there were TONS of cuts needed. (The design part won out, because the whole house had 2 legitimate closets in 11 rooms prior to the renovation, I admit adding 5 closets in 2 rooms might be a bit lopsided the other way, but you can never have too many closets right? - C)
Anyway, I've added a couple of shots of the baseboards that the boss took. Note that the artsy picture that has my knee pads (EVERYONE needs knee pads when doing baseboards, hardwood install, and tile...PERIOD) I had just placed the two pieces together. So that unsightly gap in the joint isn't really there. I just think that needs to be said for the record.
Really the hard part of the baseboards ended up being the outer mitered joints...obviously. Most of them weren't perfect 45 degrees which is normal. But it's just the shaving off material and trying over and over gets old.
Anyway, tomorrow I'll be adding the base cap to the top of what I've done so far. Honestly, I think that since the main pieces were added and the base cap follows that...it can't be too bad right? I think I totally jinxed everything just with that thought.
I also trimmed out the pocket door frame today and hung the door. The trimming part is about 95% complete with just the "jam" (a ripped 1x8) opposite of the door opening to nail in. Not a big deal. I'll end up priming and painting all of the new door trim when I do the same for the windows and baseboards.
The door has been in our living room SINCE MAY as we had a great thought of using a glass paneled door as our pocket door. It's a full sized door which proved to be a slight issue when actually installing the darn thing. I ended up enlisting the help of the boss and ripping the bottom of the door on the table saw. That made the height perfect, and then just pryed off a 3/8th inch piece added to the side for whatever reason. Totally worked.
I've gotten the thing mounted and now I have to figure out how to get the door to stop swaying back and forth. Of course I have no faith in what our former contractor did, and I can't find the installation instructions to save my life. So it looks like it'll be trial and error. Gee, imagine that.
Funny thing I finally noticed tonight. In the picture above with the door closed, you see three switches next to it in the bedroom. Those are actually the lights for the bathroom...in the bed room space. When I realized this I asked the boss and of course she knew it would be like that. Now, I'm not worried about it, but it's funny that I didn't really think of something like that between the two spaces until there was a door there. Not the wood to tile transition, the door frame...nothing else. Anyway, I found it interesting that I JUST NOW noticed it.
So I guess that's it for today. Not too bad for like 10 hours of work.
In designing the third floor space, I'm convinced that my wife went with the designed part of her brain, and not the practical construction side. Because a sqaure(ish) room is perfect for a first time baseboard installer. Not the mish-mash of closets and intertwining walls. Because, damn....there were TONS of cuts needed. (The design part won out, because the whole house had 2 legitimate closets in 11 rooms prior to the renovation, I admit adding 5 closets in 2 rooms might be a bit lopsided the other way, but you can never have too many closets right? - C)
Anyway, I've added a couple of shots of the baseboards that the boss took. Note that the artsy picture that has my knee pads (EVERYONE needs knee pads when doing baseboards, hardwood install, and tile...PERIOD) I had just placed the two pieces together. So that unsightly gap in the joint isn't really there. I just think that needs to be said for the record.
Really the hard part of the baseboards ended up being the outer mitered joints...obviously. Most of them weren't perfect 45 degrees which is normal. But it's just the shaving off material and trying over and over gets old.
Anyway, tomorrow I'll be adding the base cap to the top of what I've done so far. Honestly, I think that since the main pieces were added and the base cap follows that...it can't be too bad right? I think I totally jinxed everything just with that thought.
I also trimmed out the pocket door frame today and hung the door. The trimming part is about 95% complete with just the "jam" (a ripped 1x8) opposite of the door opening to nail in. Not a big deal. I'll end up priming and painting all of the new door trim when I do the same for the windows and baseboards.
The door has been in our living room SINCE MAY as we had a great thought of using a glass paneled door as our pocket door. It's a full sized door which proved to be a slight issue when actually installing the darn thing. I ended up enlisting the help of the boss and ripping the bottom of the door on the table saw. That made the height perfect, and then just pryed off a 3/8th inch piece added to the side for whatever reason. Totally worked.
I've gotten the thing mounted and now I have to figure out how to get the door to stop swaying back and forth. Of course I have no faith in what our former contractor did, and I can't find the installation instructions to save my life. So it looks like it'll be trial and error. Gee, imagine that.
Funny thing I finally noticed tonight. In the picture above with the door closed, you see three switches next to it in the bedroom. Those are actually the lights for the bathroom...in the bed room space. When I realized this I asked the boss and of course she knew it would be like that. Now, I'm not worried about it, but it's funny that I didn't really think of something like that between the two spaces until there was a door there. Not the wood to tile transition, the door frame...nothing else. Anyway, I found it interesting that I JUST NOW noticed it.
So I guess that's it for today. Not too bad for like 10 hours of work.
Sunday, October 12, 2008
The subtle art of window trim
Today was my part 2 of the window trim work that was long overdue. After creating and installing the sills yesterday, I start out this morning AGAIN watching Tom Silva's trim video. I referred to that in my previous post, so if you haven't seen it and need to do any window trim then you need to watch it. I truly think that if he were to walking into your flooding basement, that he would be able to walk on the water to shut off your water at the meter. He's my Mr. Miyagi.
What I realized about trim today is that all you really need is a fresh 60t blade on your compound saw (especially when your old blade was really used for cutting up demo debris and hardwood flooring), and tons and tons and tons and tons of patience. I was good on the former all day, but the latter started to fade on me after about 5.5 hours of the work today. I won't go into the details, but I'm pretty sure I could be heard yelling some choice words down the block.
In the end I got in the casing trim and installed all of the aprons as well. That's really all there is to it. The tricky parts were in measuring the side pieces to be at least even with each other, and to nails those as straight and flush to the wall as possible. If the nailing isn't flush, then the mitered joint will leave a gap that you will try to work with for ever just to give up anyway with a sigh and that sad feeling of being bested by poplar.
A couple of the windows had that problem from bad drywall, curvy walls, or casing that I had to previously hand plane down (making some high spots along the length). I was able to make the best out of most of those areas, which was a win.
Whatever, this isn't a how to post, because I'm the last person that should be dishing that out in the area of...well...anything. In the end I still need to go back to each window and fill the nail holes.
Side note: I am also on the hunt for a product that I can use to fill 1/8th inch gaps in the trim on some joints. The standard wood fill (at least the Minwax kind I have) is too gritty. I need to find something that is more like a putty. If anyone who read this knows of such a product please don't be shy.
On Tuesday we're getting our baseboard moulding pieces delivered and so I guess next weekend I get to miter for another 12 hours. Only this time on my knees.
After proof-reading this post, I realize it lacks my usual flare for the random thoughts. I think the trim and the dragon slaying yesterday have sapped my strength. Lord knows the celebratory beers at the dragon feast last night didn't help matters. Ugh....
Oh, last thing. Once reason we made our sills so deep is so that the cats can lounge in the windows. It's really the one thing that they seem to enjoy that doesn't involve using clothes or piles of contractor bags as a toilet. So we've encouraged them to lounge and not pee randomly.(I don't think his peeing is random thing myself, I think he knows exactly that contractor bags= loud noises and dirt. Both of which harsh his mellow, so he just wants to make his wishes known- Christina) You'll se my man Marco test driving one of the windows this evening.
Good man. Now learn to use the litter box ALL OF THE TIME!
What I realized about trim today is that all you really need is a fresh 60t blade on your compound saw (especially when your old blade was really used for cutting up demo debris and hardwood flooring), and tons and tons and tons and tons of patience. I was good on the former all day, but the latter started to fade on me after about 5.5 hours of the work today. I won't go into the details, but I'm pretty sure I could be heard yelling some choice words down the block.
In the end I got in the casing trim and installed all of the aprons as well. That's really all there is to it. The tricky parts were in measuring the side pieces to be at least even with each other, and to nails those as straight and flush to the wall as possible. If the nailing isn't flush, then the mitered joint will leave a gap that you will try to work with for ever just to give up anyway with a sigh and that sad feeling of being bested by poplar.
A couple of the windows had that problem from bad drywall, curvy walls, or casing that I had to previously hand plane down (making some high spots along the length). I was able to make the best out of most of those areas, which was a win.
Whatever, this isn't a how to post, because I'm the last person that should be dishing that out in the area of...well...anything. In the end I still need to go back to each window and fill the nail holes.
Side note: I am also on the hunt for a product that I can use to fill 1/8th inch gaps in the trim on some joints. The standard wood fill (at least the Minwax kind I have) is too gritty. I need to find something that is more like a putty. If anyone who read this knows of such a product please don't be shy.
On Tuesday we're getting our baseboard moulding pieces delivered and so I guess next weekend I get to miter for another 12 hours. Only this time on my knees.
After proof-reading this post, I realize it lacks my usual flare for the random thoughts. I think the trim and the dragon slaying yesterday have sapped my strength. Lord knows the celebratory beers at the dragon feast last night didn't help matters. Ugh....
Oh, last thing. Once reason we made our sills so deep is so that the cats can lounge in the windows. It's really the one thing that they seem to enjoy that doesn't involve using clothes or piles of contractor bags as a toilet. So we've encouraged them to lounge and not pee randomly.(I don't think his peeing is random thing myself, I think he knows exactly that contractor bags= loud noises and dirt. Both of which harsh his mellow, so he just wants to make his wishes known- Christina) You'll se my man Marco test driving one of the windows this evening.
Good man. Now learn to use the litter box ALL OF THE TIME!
Saturday, October 11, 2008
Finally slaying the window sill dragon
Hello interwebs people, today was a water shed day for us here in the Grimes house. The "window sill" dragon is now a stinking rotting pile of sawdust. The dragon put up a valiant fight, but in the end it was no match for my measuring tape that was bestowed upon me by the lady of the tool section at the Depot.
Our former contractor walked off of the job after we had a pretty big brewhaha about the window sills. What they installed had structural issues (you could rock them back and forth and they'd bend) as well as a small issue that the two sills in the bedroom did not match the three in the bathroom. I mean the router profiles was totally different and even different materials.
So about 6 weeks ago I tried my first pass at making the sills out of 1x4 and 1x8s (the bedroom windows are fairly shallow whereas the bathroom ones are really deep). I'll refrain for elaborating, but after about 5 tense hours I had failed my mission. And thus the dragon was born.
Fast forward to today, and the fact that we HAVE to get that trim done so painting can wrap up and we can finally move in to the new bedroom. So I have been watching a trim 101 on thisoldhouse.com literally 3-4 times a week for over a month. The link is here, and since Tom Silva can walk on water in any house, his 101 is the trim gospel.
To show you how poorly our new windows were installed, the image on the right is of one of the 5 and it's pretty much what they all looked like. Now, I had pulled out the bad sills and the loose "blocking" but that's it.
After I followed Tom's sage like wisdom, I created all 5 sills in just about 4 hours. 2 are from 1x4 and 3 are 1x8, and since this is a really old house nothing is square. Just because we've gutted and rebuilt this floor doesn't mean that exterior and party walls are magically straight.
The first piece to the install puzzle was to get the sills to be CLOSE to where they needed to be. That meant that I had to basically add blocking or framing where needed to build up the height. the next two pics give you and idea on what I did.
I wound up ripping some 1/2 inch plywood to fit each window's "unique" sizing (in the case of the window in the picture, I had to try and create a level plane on HORRIBLE WINDOW FRAMING). I then added either a ripped 2x3 or a ripped 2x6 fit exactly for each window. That gave me the lower stability that was badly missing from the contractor's attempt at this.
The picture to the left here is what each window ended up looking like when the plywood, 2 by and the sill were finally nailed in (sounds faster than it was). And ignore the horrible look of the drywall around that window, it's another gift from our contractor that I have to fix once the last of the window trim is up.
The next pictures are just of a couple finished windows...one in the bedroom and one in the bathroom. One of the images shows a piece of the trim that we have laying in our living room. It's 4 inches wide so our sills look really long right now.
And lastly Christina took a wide shot coming up the stairs of the bedroom. The banister is still missing the spindles from our floor install, but I'll probably fix that in the next couple of weeks now that I can sleep at night after feasting on the dragon tonight.
(That means beers for the first Flyers game of the season!)
Our former contractor walked off of the job after we had a pretty big brewhaha about the window sills. What they installed had structural issues (you could rock them back and forth and they'd bend) as well as a small issue that the two sills in the bedroom did not match the three in the bathroom. I mean the router profiles was totally different and even different materials.
So about 6 weeks ago I tried my first pass at making the sills out of 1x4 and 1x8s (the bedroom windows are fairly shallow whereas the bathroom ones are really deep). I'll refrain for elaborating, but after about 5 tense hours I had failed my mission. And thus the dragon was born.
Fast forward to today, and the fact that we HAVE to get that trim done so painting can wrap up and we can finally move in to the new bedroom. So I have been watching a trim 101 on thisoldhouse.com literally 3-4 times a week for over a month. The link is here, and since Tom Silva can walk on water in any house, his 101 is the trim gospel.
To show you how poorly our new windows were installed, the image on the right is of one of the 5 and it's pretty much what they all looked like. Now, I had pulled out the bad sills and the loose "blocking" but that's it.
After I followed Tom's sage like wisdom, I created all 5 sills in just about 4 hours. 2 are from 1x4 and 3 are 1x8, and since this is a really old house nothing is square. Just because we've gutted and rebuilt this floor doesn't mean that exterior and party walls are magically straight.
The first piece to the install puzzle was to get the sills to be CLOSE to where they needed to be. That meant that I had to basically add blocking or framing where needed to build up the height. the next two pics give you and idea on what I did.
I wound up ripping some 1/2 inch plywood to fit each window's "unique" sizing (in the case of the window in the picture, I had to try and create a level plane on HORRIBLE WINDOW FRAMING). I then added either a ripped 2x3 or a ripped 2x6 fit exactly for each window. That gave me the lower stability that was badly missing from the contractor's attempt at this.
The picture to the left here is what each window ended up looking like when the plywood, 2 by and the sill were finally nailed in (sounds faster than it was). And ignore the horrible look of the drywall around that window, it's another gift from our contractor that I have to fix once the last of the window trim is up.
The next pictures are just of a couple finished windows...one in the bedroom and one in the bathroom. One of the images shows a piece of the trim that we have laying in our living room. It's 4 inches wide so our sills look really long right now.
And lastly Christina took a wide shot coming up the stairs of the bedroom. The banister is still missing the spindles from our floor install, but I'll probably fix that in the next couple of weeks now that I can sleep at night after feasting on the dragon tonight.
(That means beers for the first Flyers game of the season!)
Tuesday, October 7, 2008
For our second wedding anniversary I give you...
...finished hardwood floors. You're welcome. It was nothing, just a token of my affection for smooth floors that look friggin SWEET.
So I'll recap real fast to keep this post short (there is a "debate" tonight after all). After we installed the floors I got total stage fright about finishing them. I mean if you mess up framing a wall or mitering window casing then you just buy more right? Well what if you sand and seal a floor and screw any of that up? You have to strip and refinish the floors all over again. There really are no do overs. Seeing as how I tend to learn a new project by screwing up a couple of times...I couldn't take that chance.
So we hired out, which is just about the last third party to work on our house in the near future. "So I got that goin' for me, which is nice." ---->
Anyway we had a great guy named Van (http://www.vanshardwoodfloors.com) show up on Thursday for a quote and did the job today. Below are some pictures of the floor as it is right now. In the end we elected to not stain the floors and just have then sanded a bit with 3 coats of poly. The floors are really wet right now and you can see that in the pictures...hey it's a messy job. And also let it be said that the fumes from the job are crazy. Don't underestimate how much the poly smells, and you can even taste it.
The floors will be dry enough to walk on tomorrow, but we'll probably not get up there until the weekend. Then it'll be putting the new bed together up there to get those damn boxes out of my workshop, and the mattress/box spring out of our living room.
It'll be a magical moment. We still need to install the window stools and all of the trim (casing and baseboards) but I think we can start that next week-ish.
On another note, months ago I ripped apart the electrical for the third floor and half of the second. This was in late May before the demo was 100% done. Anyway, over the past weekend I ran new lines up to the second floor and rewired the office/workshop. It was a pain in the butt having to use flashlights at night and not being able to work in there after like 5:00. The picture on the right doesn't look like much, but there was a lot of wiring up there to even get the lights to work. I've added one new outlet right now, and I'll be adding 3 more in the next couple of weeks.
The wire sticking out of the box is for the (to be delivered and installed) recessed lights that are going in the soffit. I'll split the feeder line and that's it.
So yeah, that's about it right now. Today is in fact our second anniversary, and with the house stuff and life things, we both half spaced it until last evening. We're hoping that it's not a harbinger of things to come for the next 70 years.
So you know, my anniversary gift to Christina was completely cleaning out our dump living room and the basement. Things are finally where they need to be and we don't have piles of lumber in the living room. For her part, Christina paid Van for the floor job...so I didn't have to do it. That's a gift I'll take any time. (I was really hoping that wood was the 2nd anniversary gift, turns out that is the 5th, so maybe we got to that one early. Too bad this year was cotton-Christina)
Aint love grand?
So I'll recap real fast to keep this post short (there is a "debate" tonight after all). After we installed the floors I got total stage fright about finishing them. I mean if you mess up framing a wall or mitering window casing then you just buy more right? Well what if you sand and seal a floor and screw any of that up? You have to strip and refinish the floors all over again. There really are no do overs. Seeing as how I tend to learn a new project by screwing up a couple of times...I couldn't take that chance.
So we hired out, which is just about the last third party to work on our house in the near future. "So I got that goin' for me, which is nice." ---->
Anyway we had a great guy named Van (http://www.vanshardwoodfloors.com) show up on Thursday for a quote and did the job today. Below are some pictures of the floor as it is right now. In the end we elected to not stain the floors and just have then sanded a bit with 3 coats of poly. The floors are really wet right now and you can see that in the pictures...hey it's a messy job. And also let it be said that the fumes from the job are crazy. Don't underestimate how much the poly smells, and you can even taste it.
The floors will be dry enough to walk on tomorrow, but we'll probably not get up there until the weekend. Then it'll be putting the new bed together up there to get those damn boxes out of my workshop, and the mattress/box spring out of our living room.
It'll be a magical moment. We still need to install the window stools and all of the trim (casing and baseboards) but I think we can start that next week-ish.
On another note, months ago I ripped apart the electrical for the third floor and half of the second. This was in late May before the demo was 100% done. Anyway, over the past weekend I ran new lines up to the second floor and rewired the office/workshop. It was a pain in the butt having to use flashlights at night and not being able to work in there after like 5:00. The picture on the right doesn't look like much, but there was a lot of wiring up there to even get the lights to work. I've added one new outlet right now, and I'll be adding 3 more in the next couple of weeks.
The wire sticking out of the box is for the (to be delivered and installed) recessed lights that are going in the soffit. I'll split the feeder line and that's it.
So yeah, that's about it right now. Today is in fact our second anniversary, and with the house stuff and life things, we both half spaced it until last evening. We're hoping that it's not a harbinger of things to come for the next 70 years.
So you know, my anniversary gift to Christina was completely cleaning out our dump living room and the basement. Things are finally where they need to be and we don't have piles of lumber in the living room. For her part, Christina paid Van for the floor job...so I didn't have to do it. That's a gift I'll take any time. (I was really hoping that wood was the 2nd anniversary gift, turns out that is the 5th, so maybe we got to that one early. Too bad this year was cotton-Christina)
Aint love grand?
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